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Monday, February 10, 2014

Justified

My buddy, the Russian Bear, has found some blog topics to get the troops all riled up. I think it is just best to glorify you with a discussion question and give you the link to the article and video...

So...let's say the police come with a search warrant in hand, no knock to be exact, and the troops convoy to the place, rally for the event, and make entry...turtle suits and all...vest with big POLICE on them...big guns...wait for it...wait for it...


 
...and one of them gets shot by the homeowner who is involved in illegal activity...and the law enforcement officer dies...
 

What do you think about that? Justified? Not justified?

Read about it...see the video...

Look what happened in Texas...

What do you say? Do you agree with the court finding?  


Here is the younger Sharon Stone, an avid supporter of gun control. Well, the older version is still against gun control.

The Boogie Man is open for discussion...


6 comments:

Coffeypot said...

I hate to see any officer hurt while on duty, but I have to agree that the timing was bad. B&E in the middle of the night is not a good thing to do. I would have shot,too. There are many different ways they could have handled it. The hi-ho, adrenaline rushing bullshit is not worth the life.

Well Seasoned Fool said...

Perhaps the whole SWAT concept needs to be revisited?

A former LEO who worked for me liked to say he could fail many times, but the criminal could only fail once, He felt the odds favored him.

Momma Fargo said...

Well, I will add in when you do a no knock, you are usually dealing with high risk suspects and a risk to injury or death. Those are saved for the very high and mighty on the drug chain, usually. Once the door is breached, police should be shouting their announcement anyway. It is never a sneak attack after a breach and always, always announce. Most often, they are not executed past 10PM. There are exceptions. I have done many in the early morning hours. The knock and announce warrants are you knock a few times, announce,then breach. I am not surprised by the verdict.

Bob G. said...

Momma Fargo:
In MY part of the Ft. Wayne ghettohood, I BETTER hear a shouting "intent" from a LEO outside, before I open MY door.

And if it's a STRONG entry, there BETTER be:
A- a VERY understanding crew coming through that doorway.
B- A SEARCH WARRANT (or several)
C- Someone to fix my door and jam ON SCENE!
D- a Lawyer (preferably MINE)

BTW, they won't find ANYTHING ILLEGAL between our "Fortress" walls...
The homeowner has the right to "defend" themselves, and to do less, places everyone under that roof at risk (if there is nothing hinky going on UNDER that roof).
It can be justified in many cases.

Roll safe out there.

angel shrout said...

Their failure to announce even once inside is where they failed. The amount of drugs found on him was miniscule, but the fact he owned a gun with the marijuana made it a lower class felony. Sorry but I agree, the law went too far in not announcing at least once they were inside. The people were in bed and the woman was pregnant. Don't make a law where you have a right to defend your property with the ability to shoot someone then go blowing in someone's house and not make clear why you are there as LEO and be surprised when you get shot, or killed. Sad for the LEO family, but at the same time totally understand the circumstances..

MrGarabaldi said...

I am a proponant of law enforcement(My dad retired as a cop), but I have an issue with the militarization of the police. They use the SWAT too often for any entry including credit card fraud and other "lower charges" and there have been cases of hitting the wrong house and the homeowner gets shot or at the least the family dog gets it. The standby of "Officer safety is bandied about too much to excuse the heavyhanded behavior. And don't even throw in the number of times the raid is actually a home invasion by a gang dressed up like the PoPo.
I don't know what the balance is, but it has swing too much in one direction where some in the blue line view us as subjects and not citizens.